J. A. Wylie's History of Protestantism is an esoteric document for this reason: he treats Protestantism as it were a 'school' which alights here, now there, stronger in one era than in another, but everywhere it appears, the school that is, its effect is all out of scale with its numbers or seeming worldly influence.
Protestant is a term that means 'one who confesses and bears witness to the Word of God.' In this inherent meaning of the term you can see that Protestants existed from the beginning of the Christian era.
Wylie's History of Protestantism is also unique for its style. It would probably be called romantic in style by a critic, but it's really more unique than that. It is full of metaphor and bracing scenery and heroism, yes, but it is a style completely free from constraints of the world or the devil. The substance in this sense is the style as well. Wylie sees clearly (faith hath a piercing eye) and describes things with no thought of being artificially 'unbiased' or anything similar. He's writing like a man who doesn't care what any critics will think. He knows God's own, with the Holy Spirit, will see and understand what he is presenting.
It's a unique book also because it is a complete history of Christianity (up through the Reformation) while focusing, as mentioned before, on Protestantism. I.e. focusing on the Word of God and the 'school' that it is and creates wherever it appears and focusing on the individuals and cultures it quickens wherever it appears.
Did I mention it's 2,112 pages? And that would be large pages. Yet on a scale of one to ten of page-turning readability it is a ten. This is a two thousand page book one can actually read complete, with the necessary dedication of time and effort of course, but it's not trudging type reading. The ISBN is: 0-923309-80-2. The latest published edition is by Hartland Publications and is in 4 vols.
It fills the spot of a universal, on-the-mark, inspired history of Christianity, just as Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion fills the spot of inspired, on-the-mark work of theology, and Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress fills the spot of universal, inspired work of imaginative Christian literature; and then of course the Word of God itself, the pure and whole traditional text Authorized, King James, Version being the obvious fourth work, the foundation, to give one a rather complete, four-work Christian library. I'd add the Fourth Way by Ouspensky, and Thomas Boston's Human Nature in its Fourfold State, and Petrus Dathenus' Pearl of Christian Comfort, and Herman Witsius' Economy of the Covenants Between God and Man, and Meredith G. Kline's God, Heaven and Har Magedon, and Louis Berkhof's Manual of Christian Doctrine to make a basic ten.
I can't praise this Wylie book enough. Just start on page one and see how it gives you the history of this age that has been successfully buried by all worldly forces and motivations. It's an unveiling type history, written by a historian both mainstream and competent, yet also inspired and of real faith and understanding.
12.29.2007
12.27.2007
The Work and the Faith meet in Spiritual Warfare
Sometimes I get a rush of a realization that warfare will be met with at death, and even prior. The real spiritual warfare that culminates in glorification. The forces of darkness are there. I got this feeling today not just thinking of the violence of suicide bombings and assassination of a political leader, but of thinking about how that political leader herself had no defense against such forces. She died, or let's say she is in recurrence with no connection to the Saviour or to the Triune God and His Kingdom.
12.26.2007
Reading the Bible
There is something about reading and getting parts-in-relation-to-the-whole understanding of the Bible that is difficult to capture; and difficult to do.
I.e. difficult to put into a formula.
Here's a problem as I see it (even though I'm actually just throwing down rambling thoughts): zeal is a key to getting understanding of the Bible. A zealous approach. The zeal, or super-effort, is the part of your effort you dedicate to God, like a part of your crop, and God rewards you more for it. But the problem can be this: the Bible is so big that it's difficult to see how you can apply zeal to it. If you start to approach all 1,189 chapters in some unique way you immediately get shut down by the scale of the effort. It's not practical. It's not practical to keep up a zealous effort that will take that long. (Or, maybe it isn't? Just do it?)
Also, the Bible seems to defeat approaches that involve 'outlining', or reading outlines maybe. Maybe it doesn't defeat ME doing the outlining work. It certainly does defeat when you try to take shortcuts by relying on other people's outlines and notes though. Maybe that is it. The Holy Spirit wants you to do your own work. In this sense there is no waste of time involved regarding 'reinventing the wheel.' With the Bible it is good and needed to reinvent the wheel. For each individual.
Of course the work the Bible does in regeneration (the Spirit works through the Word usually) gets done pretty much initially, in first readings and so on. And of course basic, completed complete readings get it all into, in ways you don't know even as you are doing it.
But when one looks to consciously devise a project or effort to really get full understanding, or, become 'mighty in the Word', it is difficult.
Maybe prayer really IS the key. Asking God (the Triune God, but maybe the Holy Spirit as Illuminator specifically) for understanding of His Word. Deep, complete understanding.
Then approaching the text in a meditative state. A third state of consciousness. Having higher energy in you when you engage the Word of God enabling there to be more communicated and understood.
That still leave the sheer scale problem. The massive number of pages and chapters and books. Which means there is no getting around the virtue and necessity of the complete reading effort. Maybe not always done in the same way, but complete nevertheless.
What have I concluded?
1. An approach with zeal is needed.
2. Doing your own work regarding outlining and notes and so forth.
3. Prayer for understanding is key.
4. Being in the third state of consciousness, and having previously accumulated higher energy in you to use while engaging the text.
5. Complete readings, maybe not always having to be done in the same way, is the foundation.
I'll add two more after reading this:
6. Memorizing, and keeping a commonplace book on the Bible.
7. Doing what the Bible guides one to do. This develops understanding in terms of Knowledge + Being = Understanding.
I.e. difficult to put into a formula.
Here's a problem as I see it (even though I'm actually just throwing down rambling thoughts): zeal is a key to getting understanding of the Bible. A zealous approach. The zeal, or super-effort, is the part of your effort you dedicate to God, like a part of your crop, and God rewards you more for it. But the problem can be this: the Bible is so big that it's difficult to see how you can apply zeal to it. If you start to approach all 1,189 chapters in some unique way you immediately get shut down by the scale of the effort. It's not practical. It's not practical to keep up a zealous effort that will take that long. (Or, maybe it isn't? Just do it?)
Also, the Bible seems to defeat approaches that involve 'outlining', or reading outlines maybe. Maybe it doesn't defeat ME doing the outlining work. It certainly does defeat when you try to take shortcuts by relying on other people's outlines and notes though. Maybe that is it. The Holy Spirit wants you to do your own work. In this sense there is no waste of time involved regarding 'reinventing the wheel.' With the Bible it is good and needed to reinvent the wheel. For each individual.
Of course the work the Bible does in regeneration (the Spirit works through the Word usually) gets done pretty much initially, in first readings and so on. And of course basic, completed complete readings get it all into, in ways you don't know even as you are doing it.
But when one looks to consciously devise a project or effort to really get full understanding, or, become 'mighty in the Word', it is difficult.
Maybe prayer really IS the key. Asking God (the Triune God, but maybe the Holy Spirit as Illuminator specifically) for understanding of His Word. Deep, complete understanding.
Then approaching the text in a meditative state. A third state of consciousness. Having higher energy in you when you engage the Word of God enabling there to be more communicated and understood.
That still leave the sheer scale problem. The massive number of pages and chapters and books. Which means there is no getting around the virtue and necessity of the complete reading effort. Maybe not always done in the same way, but complete nevertheless.
What have I concluded?
1. An approach with zeal is needed.
2. Doing your own work regarding outlining and notes and so forth.
3. Prayer for understanding is key.
4. Being in the third state of consciousness, and having previously accumulated higher energy in you to use while engaging the text.
5. Complete readings, maybe not always having to be done in the same way, is the foundation.
I'll add two more after reading this:
6. Memorizing, and keeping a commonplace book on the Bible.
7. Doing what the Bible guides one to do. This develops understanding in terms of Knowledge + Being = Understanding.
12.25.2007
The three renunciations
Look at this section of the Cassian books.
Wikipedia has a good overview article on John Cassian, with this surprising (to me) little revelation:
Of his two major works it would seem his Conferences would be the most interesting.
Wikipedia has a good overview article on John Cassian, with this surprising (to me) little revelation:
His works are excerpted in the Philokalia (Greek for "Love of the Beautiful"), the Eastern Orthodox compendium on mystical Christian prayer.
Of his two major works it would seem his Conferences would be the most interesting.
A mark for the mind to fasten onto...
This is from here. It's the last sentence of chapter 5 on that page. The subject is the need for a mark to strive for. Glorifying God in thought, word, and deed, for instance. Or thinking from the Work rather than from life. Work aim in that sense:
Here is the larger contents page.
(From this page originally sent by Paul via email...)
For the mind, which has no fixed point to which it may return, and on which it may chiefly fasten, is sure to rove about from hour to hour and minute to minute in all sorts of wandering thoughts, and from those things which come to it from outside, to be constantly changed into that state which first offers itself to it.
Here is the larger contents page.
(From this page originally sent by Paul via email...)
12.18.2007
Just enter the realm...
Just enter the realm. (via getting that self-remembering, non-identifying wheel rolling in the right direction). Nothing else to be done. Parzival is a good guide. What else is there to do but to hit the trackless forest and expect conflict prior to reaching new worlds (worlds interpenetrate worlds).
A #5 Man is more of a 'be' state. Or 'being' state. This is where you are, this is what you are.
You can see depicted in those stories knights who seem to sit down somewhere and waste. Don't do that. They are also wounded from battles that didn't go well for them... You do have to be good with the sword and shield...
A #5 Man is more of a 'be' state. Or 'being' state. This is where you are, this is what you are.
You can see depicted in those stories knights who seem to sit down somewhere and waste. Don't do that. They are also wounded from battles that didn't go well for them... You do have to be good with the sword and shield...
Bringing cosmos to this...
Let's be honest (ok, I'll just speak for myself because not everybody is the same regarding what I'm about to say), again, let's be honest these Work blogs die out pretty quickly. They are too problematic. Real Work effort has to be private, methinks, otherwise you're just putting down attitude in the posts and comments, i.e. no matter what you're saying about things you still look kind of OK and cool in it all. (I'm speaking for myself.)
A good use of a blog for effort is something like this. Because it is just simple recording of something done on a daily basis; a no nonsense record of actually doing and keeping up with real, simple aims. (My aims there can get more interesting as the year progresses, but for now those seem good. I don't think more than five is going to be practical though, but eventually I'll finish Tom Jones and have room for another...)
OK, forget what I said above. A new year approaches, and one can either do something in a dedicated manner or one can go day to day doing the same desultory, go-nowhere things. (By the way, '$/contained' just means for me all necessary worldly tasks and activities.)
I don't want S. or P. to stop their Work blogs. But just remember that an effort needs to be a contained cosmos to gather force within itself; and it needs to have a beginning, middle, and end.
A good use of a blog for effort is something like this. Because it is just simple recording of something done on a daily basis; a no nonsense record of actually doing and keeping up with real, simple aims. (My aims there can get more interesting as the year progresses, but for now those seem good. I don't think more than five is going to be practical though, but eventually I'll finish Tom Jones and have room for another...)
OK, forget what I said above. A new year approaches, and one can either do something in a dedicated manner or one can go day to day doing the same desultory, go-nowhere things. (By the way, '$/contained' just means for me all necessary worldly tasks and activities.)
I don't want S. or P. to stop their Work blogs. But just remember that an effort needs to be a contained cosmos to gather force within itself; and it needs to have a beginning, middle, and end.
12.17.2007
Things get easier
Things get easier to see. Hey, we live in a world that is visible and invisible. When you die you go into the invisible. In the flesh you are in the visible. It sucks because of the fall. I'm going to try to find a Scripture reference to the visible, invisible aspect of the world.
That's a good one.
Rather than the usual straining to perceive the 'other realm', which exists, we can accomplish the same goal by simply recognizing the fact of it and then operating with that understanding. I mean, not straining to do what the flesh can't do, yet still doing what our spirit can accomplish. Grow in understanding and perception of the invisible.
To walk in the above understanding, simply, is different from straining to perceive and do what the flesh is incapable of perceiving and doing. Walk after the Spirit; i.e. after the Word of God. In understanding.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
That's a good one.
Rather than the usual straining to perceive the 'other realm', which exists, we can accomplish the same goal by simply recognizing the fact of it and then operating with that understanding. I mean, not straining to do what the flesh can't do, yet still doing what our spirit can accomplish. Grow in understanding and perception of the invisible.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
To walk in the above understanding, simply, is different from straining to perceive and do what the flesh is incapable of perceiving and doing. Walk after the Spirit; i.e. after the Word of God. In understanding.
12.15.2007
Knight of the Inner Order
Written as a comment by the owner of another Work site (Parzival, linked in the righthand margin) -
Parzival is the Knight who is walking within these symbolic realms. He knows that a car door is a portal between states and worlds. To the Knight of the Inner Order, this is all Real. The exterior world of objects (christmas tree lights, telephone boxes, doors & windows, unmade roads, blankets & bedding, horses & sheep, rolling mists, children in poverty, ice, watches and seasons), is a living non-verbal language of glyphs incised in the consciousness of the Wandering Knight: Opening of the Eyes = Renewal of the Oath of Service. We open our eyes each morning, blearily adjusting to the light of dawn. Mostly we are buried in the comfort of sleep but the Knight should know the meaning of the event and renew the Oath. Or as the great Johnny Cash sang it, "I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger travelling through this land below." Never forget it.
Failed event
Dishes had finished washing in the dishwasher, and I thought, there is a common event, putting them away, so I got up to put them away meaning to make it an event to be awake in, and I completely forgot myself as I left the room for the kitchen. Didn't remember myself all during the time I spent putting the dishes away. See? It's not easy. Or, it's not automatic. I mean, my effort was not there, but sleep is powerful, identification is powerful, so when you are in a state of self-remembering and it seems easy, remember that it is actually unusual.
An email from me
My tone on this fourth way blog will be as if strangers unknown to me are reading it:
http://0140190112.blogspot.com/
I'm going to link Simon's and Paul's too. Why not see it as serious. I wrote that a strand of lights went out on a tree last evening as a prelude to writing about a Work effort. Oh, no! Symbolism. I don't want lights going out in me...
So I've got a hook to start me off. Look for events to be awake in for the duration. Even it it's a very common, short event. On virtue of this is it gets you away from the ease of putting off efforts because "you've got things to do" or, you're not "geared up" for it, or whatever. If you've got things to do, those are your events.
It's not the same as hardcore duration self-remembering, though, admittedly. The most strange experiences I've had with self-remembering was as the result of hardcore, depth and duration. So I'm not saying this this event approach is all-defining of anything... - C.
ps- I forgot I also use the word 'event' for one of the four types of self-remembering: rote, backlash, surprising/difficult event, and schedule. But that's alright, I still think I have to use it.
Simon's Work blog: http://simonworkthoughts.blogspot.com/
Paul's Work blog: http://parzivals.blogspot.com/
http://0140190112.blogspot.com/
I'm going to link Simon's and Paul's too. Why not see it as serious. I wrote that a strand of lights went out on a tree last evening as a prelude to writing about a Work effort. Oh, no! Symbolism. I don't want lights going out in me...
So I've got a hook to start me off. Look for events to be awake in for the duration. Even it it's a very common, short event. On virtue of this is it gets you away from the ease of putting off efforts because "you've got things to do" or, you're not "geared up" for it, or whatever. If you've got things to do, those are your events.
It's not the same as hardcore duration self-remembering, though, admittedly. The most strange experiences I've had with self-remembering was as the result of hardcore, depth and duration. So I'm not saying this this event approach is all-defining of anything... - C.
ps- I forgot I also use the word 'event' for one of the four types of self-remembering: rote, backlash, surprising/difficult event, and schedule. But that's alright, I still think I have to use it.
Simon's Work blog: http://simonworkthoughts.blogspot.com/
Paul's Work blog: http://parzivals.blogspot.com/
I'm a Christian, and the Fourth Way is my school of active, progressive sanctification
I did one event Friday evening, Dec. 14. It's a start. By 'event' that is my new shorthand for a self-remembering effort with aim, or in the midst of a complete event.
10.06.2007
Practical union with Christ
What does it mean to be in practical union with Christ? This is the one thing that the faith drives towards and has meaning in terms of being in the Kingdom of God and having liberty from and protection from the Kingdom of Satan. In other words, when it comes down to the reality of being a Christian it is actual union, in real time, with Christ (with the Triune God) that has practical meaning regarding salvation.
Faith effects this, but I am talking here about how this union is effected in a real way. Christians historically leave this subject in mystical realms and language, but when you know the Work you can see and effect the union with Christ practically.
You have to use the categories of prophet, priest and king. This is the image of God that you share with Christ.
The way you effect union with Christ as a prophet is to engage His Word and develop by degree in real understanding of it.
Along with that you practice in real time the priestly function of loving your enemies and forgiving your debtors so that God will forgive you your debts. (For a Work person this is understood in practical language and practices such as not internally-considering.)
And with all of this you develop as a King, as you, by degree, win and consolidate more and more inner command in your inner being, or inner domain. The language of the Work makes all this practical (otherwise I'm just talking like any mainstream Christian who has yet to enter the school level).
Real development of understanding based on the Word of God is a real, practical way you are in union with Christ, to greater and greater degree. And then kingly presence and inner command and priestly sacrifice (sacrificing your suffering, fake suffering or not) is how you develop internally to the Real Internal Presence that approaches Christ. Accumulating higher energy via self-remembering is also working with the Holy Spirit which puts you in union, or connection, with Christ. Not grieving the Spirit (provoking your limits and extending your limits for being able to not grieve the Spirit) is how you develop greater real union with Christ.
Prayer as communication effects and develops union with Christ as well, in the midst of all the above.
You'll experience what Christ experienced when He was in the world. This is part of real union with Christ.
In all the above I am referring to the union a believer has with Christ that is built on the foundational union effected by effectual calling and regeneration and conversion (having faith in Jesus and repentance for sin). Justification is by faith alone. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Once justifified and a child of God, you are still in this fallen body and this fallen world, and you don't stop living and striving to recover fully the image of god. It's not required for salvation, it is the fruit of saving faith and justification.
1. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a prophet corresponds more to the 'spiritual or mystical' union Christians have recognized over time. This has to do with language and communication. The Word of God, meditation, prayer, presence.
2. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a priest corresponds more to the 'experiential' union Christians have recognized over time. Experiencing in this life, in real time, in contact and conflict with the flesh, the world, and the devil, what Christ Himself experienced. This has to do more with sacrifice and suffering and the giving up of vanity, worldly pride, and self-will. Loving one's enemies as a self-sacrifice that garners God's forgiveness of our own debts.
3. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a king corresponds more to the 'incarnational' union Christians have recognized over time. This has more to do with the actual battles, internal and external, that occur when the Holy Spirit is present within one and our flesh (Old Man) fights it, and the world gives us friction, and the devil himself takes notice of us because of it. The Holy Spirit was given in 'full measure' to Jesus, but He is the only human being that could handle the full measure (or 'without measure') of the Spirit. A Christian has to develop by degree in being able to handle more and higher amounts of the Holy Spirit within oneself by provoking one's limits and then struggling to extend those limits. This is the work of the king part of the image of God. You develop as a king as you gain more and more inner command and unity of the disparate parts of your inner being. (The school language of the Work is needed to understand this.) This process is the incarnational union where we are made one with Christ and partake of His nature. We are deified, in the language of the Eastern Orthodox, by the presence of the Holy Spirit within us, recovering by degree fully the image of God - and more - lost in the fall of Adam.
You can see that in the above the prophet development corresponds with Protestant dinstinctives; and the priest development corresponds with Catholic dinstinctives (generall speaking); and the king development corresponds with Orthodox distinctives. When you have all three - a balanced development - you enter a way that involves all of them and which is a different level. It's not for everybody, but it's available to anybody.
Faith effects this, but I am talking here about how this union is effected in a real way. Christians historically leave this subject in mystical realms and language, but when you know the Work you can see and effect the union with Christ practically.
You have to use the categories of prophet, priest and king. This is the image of God that you share with Christ.
The way you effect union with Christ as a prophet is to engage His Word and develop by degree in real understanding of it.
Along with that you practice in real time the priestly function of loving your enemies and forgiving your debtors so that God will forgive you your debts. (For a Work person this is understood in practical language and practices such as not internally-considering.)
And with all of this you develop as a King, as you, by degree, win and consolidate more and more inner command in your inner being, or inner domain. The language of the Work makes all this practical (otherwise I'm just talking like any mainstream Christian who has yet to enter the school level).
Real development of understanding based on the Word of God is a real, practical way you are in union with Christ, to greater and greater degree. And then kingly presence and inner command and priestly sacrifice (sacrificing your suffering, fake suffering or not) is how you develop internally to the Real Internal Presence that approaches Christ. Accumulating higher energy via self-remembering is also working with the Holy Spirit which puts you in union, or connection, with Christ. Not grieving the Spirit (provoking your limits and extending your limits for being able to not grieve the Spirit) is how you develop greater real union with Christ.
Prayer as communication effects and develops union with Christ as well, in the midst of all the above.
You'll experience what Christ experienced when He was in the world. This is part of real union with Christ.
In all the above I am referring to the union a believer has with Christ that is built on the foundational union effected by effectual calling and regeneration and conversion (having faith in Jesus and repentance for sin). Justification is by faith alone. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Once justifified and a child of God, you are still in this fallen body and this fallen world, and you don't stop living and striving to recover fully the image of god. It's not required for salvation, it is the fruit of saving faith and justification.
1. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a prophet corresponds more to the 'spiritual or mystical' union Christians have recognized over time. This has to do with language and communication. The Word of God, meditation, prayer, presence.
2. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a priest corresponds more to the 'experiential' union Christians have recognized over time. Experiencing in this life, in real time, in contact and conflict with the flesh, the world, and the devil, what Christ Himself experienced. This has to do more with sacrifice and suffering and the giving up of vanity, worldly pride, and self-will. Loving one's enemies as a self-sacrifice that garners God's forgiveness of our own debts.
3. Connecting with Christ, or being in union with Christ, by greater and greater degree - or degree of 'deepening' of that union - regarding being a king corresponds more to the 'incarnational' union Christians have recognized over time. This has more to do with the actual battles, internal and external, that occur when the Holy Spirit is present within one and our flesh (Old Man) fights it, and the world gives us friction, and the devil himself takes notice of us because of it. The Holy Spirit was given in 'full measure' to Jesus, but He is the only human being that could handle the full measure (or 'without measure') of the Spirit. A Christian has to develop by degree in being able to handle more and higher amounts of the Holy Spirit within oneself by provoking one's limits and then struggling to extend those limits. This is the work of the king part of the image of God. You develop as a king as you gain more and more inner command and unity of the disparate parts of your inner being. (The school language of the Work is needed to understand this.) This process is the incarnational union where we are made one with Christ and partake of His nature. We are deified, in the language of the Eastern Orthodox, by the presence of the Holy Spirit within us, recovering by degree fully the image of God - and more - lost in the fall of Adam.
You can see that in the above the prophet development corresponds with Protestant dinstinctives; and the priest development corresponds with Catholic dinstinctives (generall speaking); and the king development corresponds with Orthodox distinctives. When you have all three - a balanced development - you enter a way that involves all of them and which is a different level. It's not for everybody, but it's available to anybody.
10.05.2007
Communion with God
Communion with the Triune God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - is the center-of-gravity of the faith. It's what the Work develops as well. It's what you need in life and in death, unless you are in the Kingdom of Satan and want to be there.
Trying to sum up some things...
[17 paragraphs, but not a waste of time. Read piece-meal perhaps over time perhaps, but it has some perspective...]
This is an area where Fourth Way - or Work - challenges one (it challenges me); i.e. seeing that when you enter the Fourth Way you are no longer a part of the Man #1, 2, or 3 ways, and in Christianity this means Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant ways.
I think one can become jealous to defend the Protestant way once one comes to it because it contains the on-the-mark intellectual doctrine (Calvinism, Reformed, Puritan) which is the hardest to come into understanding (and acceptance) of. But to see it as 'all' is of course wrong because you need a balance of development of all the ways (centers).
The Orthodox definitely has the practical level teaching (not the Work, the Work is of the Man #4 level, but the Eastern Orthodox level nevertheless specializes in the practical level teaching - or spiritual disciplines - just as Protestantism specializes in the intellectual doctrine teaching.
The Roman Catholic way is unique in that it is an emotional level, and it is here that the devil seems to want to reside. Probably the passage to higher centers is through here, so the devil makes his camp here. It's also strangely tempting to weak souls. It's also a horror show.
Perhaps the language of the Homeric epics (or Greek teaching in general, or all B Influence up to the summit) enable one to 'get' what that realm has and what one needs from that realm while bypassing the devil's clutches.
I think a striking point above is that though the Orthodox level is the level where the most practical level instruction resides it is STILL not the Work. Mouravieff kind of pulls the Work down to the level of Orthodox Christianity in that sense, wrongly. The Work is the Man #4 level and can only be seen and valued by Man #4.
Another big point above is to see how any of the three levels (1,2,3) can tempt and keep one inside it. I see it for the #3 Protestant level. Once you learn it you still stay around and study and argue and go on and on and on with it. But you have to learn it well, nevertheless. Then don't get stuck in it.
If the practical need is to find a point-of-contact (even for the Man #4 level) it is the Church, for the Roman Catholic; and it is the Bible, for the Protestant (ideally); and it is something else for the Eastern Orthodox (prayer? internal connection via various disciplines?)...
For the 4th Way it is presence.
I find it interesting that spiritual warfare is a subject of biblical doctrine that doesn't make it into Protestant systematic theologies. The Puritans made it their specialty, but that is where they differ from mainstream Protestants. They knew regeneration and the three-front war with the flesh, the world, and the devil. This is a point-of-contact. You are no more in contact with Jesus and the revealed Word and faith and all of it than when in the armor of God in battle with yourself the world and the devil. On the Way.
A dividing line, or antithesis. Separation from the world, and I from 'it' internally. Separation in terms also of being in the Kingdom of Light and not the Kingdom of Darkness. This is a practical way to see the point-of-contact with the Spirit and the Son and the Father. That point-of-contact which will be everything when you are on your deathbed staring into eternity.
The Man #4 (and 5 and up) formula is: make a goal to read the Bible complete a set number of times. Get it into you. The language into you. So it takes root. Then develop using the knowledge of the Work. Discipline. Then become more refined emotionally. Develop more and more inner command. All the provoking of limits and extending of limits. Effected by real time presence (self-remembering for duration, depth, and frequency) and non-identifying. It brings on the battle, then you use the friction of the war to further develop.
You're on the Way, wherever you are in time or space. The school is above you and a cosmos you inhabit (ideally, when it can reach you, i.e. when you are in the third state of consciousness).
It's real when you have contact with the actual Word of God. That is *really* a Man #4 thing. As Simon was saying, that really isn't taught in any church, even Protestant. Calvinism and Puritanism, yes, but they are closest to the #4 level (or *were*, modern day Calvinists usually can't even recognize or value the pure and whole traditional text Word of God). Like I've said: it should be a basic, default teaching in every church that a Christian should have a goal to read the Bible complete once, three times, seven times. But it's not, because that is a weird thing (a #4 level thing).
It's also real when your false personality (Old Man) fights back. Limits get provoked, and you are on the battlefield. This is real.
It is also a real thing when you engage B Influences (art, music, imaginative literature, history, philosophy, science, religion) and get understanding and emotional refinement from them. Climb the mountain of them to the summit. *See* the mountain to begin with. See how B Influence resides in a hierarchy.
Prayer is a point-of-contact for the #4 level too, as much as for any of the other levels. Ask and ye shall receive. It's a bold act of a newly adopted child of God. Or a king. A point-of-contact is also meditating on and doing the two great commandments: love God and love your neighbor as yourself (which can correspond with the two conscious shocks of self-remembering and non-identifying when it is most difficult). Also, fearing only God and not man. (With regeneration you are 'in', despite yourself, really, it is God's doing, but that is the five solas understanding that is the necessary foundation that knowing sound biblical doctrine gives you...) - C.
--- ******* wrote:
> I'm pretty clear on where and how Catholicism
> differs to Protestantism but I
> am a lot less certain on how the Eastern Orthodox
> tradition of the early
> Church differs. Orthodox are keen on hesychasm,
> although that itself appears
> to have been an area of dispute in Orthodox history.
> They believe in
> 'theosis' - which actually isn't off-kilter - we
> should all aspire to be
> more Christ like - presumably the point of
> difference is that a Protestant
> does not see 'theosis' as an element of individual
> Salvation where Orthodox
> does. They refute the Spirit coming from the Son,
> Spirit comes only from the
> Father, (the filique controversy). The Great Schism
> appears to be less about
> theological understanding and more of a power
> struggle between Byzantium &
> Rome, or between Greeks & Latins brought about
> through
> language/communication barriers. The most
> controversial issue - and this
> would be much less an issue for the Catholics at the
> time of the Schism -
> the Orthodox does not allow for sola scripture
> because for them the bible
> only exists in the context of the living tradition
> initiated by Christ,
> handed from generation to generation, (apostolic
> succession). Like
> Catholics, the Orthodox did not want the individual
> to approach the Word.
> The Word belongs to the Church. It is interesting
> how the Coptic, Orthodox &
> Catholic Church appear so alike. The 5 solas of the
> reformers make
> Protestants an entirely different breed.
>
> I've just been reading this article on
> western/eastern art and finding
> myself in broad agreement with the author. I
> wouldn't say I necessarily
> agree with the authors description of western art as
> secular - that
> obviously is not true even if you allow that many
> artists painted religious
> works simply because that's where the commission's
> were coming from.
> Nontheless, the issue about transformation seems
> quite accurate. I think as
> a discussion of spiritual art, there are some useful
> points amidst the
> numerous theological pops, although I don't think
> Icons are alone in their
> spiritual display, a lot of celtic art meets the
> same standard and actually
> so too most stained glass work and much sculpture
> and music.
>
> http://www.traditionaliconography.com/webgalleryart.html
>
> Mouravieff's writings come from the Orthodox
> tradition, G had it somewhere
> in his background and if we are to believe it, G
> asked his pupils to go
> search the Orthodox tradition. I've been looking
> over the Praxis website
> again. Outside the Philokalia (which I never read)
> that site is a storehouse
> of Orthodox teachings in english, not that it's all
> free, but it's an access
> point with a 4thWay understanding in the selections.
> There's this freebie (I
> haven't read it yet):
>
> http://www.praxisinstitute.net/Praxis%20Now/Theosis/theosis_contents.htm
>
> Overall though, whilst there are some useful things
> to be found within the
> Orthodox, it really is a variant of the same strain
> as Catholicism.
>
This is an area where Fourth Way - or Work - challenges one (it challenges me); i.e. seeing that when you enter the Fourth Way you are no longer a part of the Man #1, 2, or 3 ways, and in Christianity this means Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant ways.
I think one can become jealous to defend the Protestant way once one comes to it because it contains the on-the-mark intellectual doctrine (Calvinism, Reformed, Puritan) which is the hardest to come into understanding (and acceptance) of. But to see it as 'all' is of course wrong because you need a balance of development of all the ways (centers).
The Orthodox definitely has the practical level teaching (not the Work, the Work is of the Man #4 level, but the Eastern Orthodox level nevertheless specializes in the practical level teaching - or spiritual disciplines - just as Protestantism specializes in the intellectual doctrine teaching.
The Roman Catholic way is unique in that it is an emotional level, and it is here that the devil seems to want to reside. Probably the passage to higher centers is through here, so the devil makes his camp here. It's also strangely tempting to weak souls. It's also a horror show.
Perhaps the language of the Homeric epics (or Greek teaching in general, or all B Influence up to the summit) enable one to 'get' what that realm has and what one needs from that realm while bypassing the devil's clutches.
I think a striking point above is that though the Orthodox level is the level where the most practical level instruction resides it is STILL not the Work. Mouravieff kind of pulls the Work down to the level of Orthodox Christianity in that sense, wrongly. The Work is the Man #4 level and can only be seen and valued by Man #4.
Another big point above is to see how any of the three levels (1,2,3) can tempt and keep one inside it. I see it for the #3 Protestant level. Once you learn it you still stay around and study and argue and go on and on and on with it. But you have to learn it well, nevertheless. Then don't get stuck in it.
If the practical need is to find a point-of-contact (even for the Man #4 level) it is the Church, for the Roman Catholic; and it is the Bible, for the Protestant (ideally); and it is something else for the Eastern Orthodox (prayer? internal connection via various disciplines?)...
For the 4th Way it is presence.
I find it interesting that spiritual warfare is a subject of biblical doctrine that doesn't make it into Protestant systematic theologies. The Puritans made it their specialty, but that is where they differ from mainstream Protestants. They knew regeneration and the three-front war with the flesh, the world, and the devil. This is a point-of-contact. You are no more in contact with Jesus and the revealed Word and faith and all of it than when in the armor of God in battle with yourself the world and the devil. On the Way.
A dividing line, or antithesis. Separation from the world, and I from 'it' internally. Separation in terms also of being in the Kingdom of Light and not the Kingdom of Darkness. This is a practical way to see the point-of-contact with the Spirit and the Son and the Father. That point-of-contact which will be everything when you are on your deathbed staring into eternity.
The Man #4 (and 5 and up) formula is: make a goal to read the Bible complete a set number of times. Get it into you. The language into you. So it takes root. Then develop using the knowledge of the Work. Discipline. Then become more refined emotionally. Develop more and more inner command. All the provoking of limits and extending of limits. Effected by real time presence (self-remembering for duration, depth, and frequency) and non-identifying. It brings on the battle, then you use the friction of the war to further develop.
You're on the Way, wherever you are in time or space. The school is above you and a cosmos you inhabit (ideally, when it can reach you, i.e. when you are in the third state of consciousness).
It's real when you have contact with the actual Word of God. That is *really* a Man #4 thing. As Simon was saying, that really isn't taught in any church, even Protestant. Calvinism and Puritanism, yes, but they are closest to the #4 level (or *were*, modern day Calvinists usually can't even recognize or value the pure and whole traditional text Word of God). Like I've said: it should be a basic, default teaching in every church that a Christian should have a goal to read the Bible complete once, three times, seven times. But it's not, because that is a weird thing (a #4 level thing).
It's also real when your false personality (Old Man) fights back. Limits get provoked, and you are on the battlefield. This is real.
It is also a real thing when you engage B Influences (art, music, imaginative literature, history, philosophy, science, religion) and get understanding and emotional refinement from them. Climb the mountain of them to the summit. *See* the mountain to begin with. See how B Influence resides in a hierarchy.
Prayer is a point-of-contact for the #4 level too, as much as for any of the other levels. Ask and ye shall receive. It's a bold act of a newly adopted child of God. Or a king. A point-of-contact is also meditating on and doing the two great commandments: love God and love your neighbor as yourself (which can correspond with the two conscious shocks of self-remembering and non-identifying when it is most difficult). Also, fearing only God and not man. (With regeneration you are 'in', despite yourself, really, it is God's doing, but that is the five solas understanding that is the necessary foundation that knowing sound biblical doctrine gives you...) - C.
--- ******* wrote:
> I'm pretty clear on where and how Catholicism
> differs to Protestantism but I
> am a lot less certain on how the Eastern Orthodox
> tradition of the early
> Church differs. Orthodox are keen on hesychasm,
> although that itself appears
> to have been an area of dispute in Orthodox history.
> They believe in
> 'theosis' - which actually isn't off-kilter - we
> should all aspire to be
> more Christ like - presumably the point of
> difference is that a Protestant
> does not see 'theosis' as an element of individual
> Salvation where Orthodox
> does. They refute the Spirit coming from the Son,
> Spirit comes only from the
> Father, (the filique controversy). The Great Schism
> appears to be less about
> theological understanding and more of a power
> struggle between Byzantium &
> Rome, or between Greeks & Latins brought about
> through
> language/communication barriers. The most
> controversial issue - and this
> would be much less an issue for the Catholics at the
> time of the Schism -
> the Orthodox does not allow for sola scripture
> because for them the bible
> only exists in the context of the living tradition
> initiated by Christ,
> handed from generation to generation, (apostolic
> succession). Like
> Catholics, the Orthodox did not want the individual
> to approach the Word.
> The Word belongs to the Church. It is interesting
> how the Coptic, Orthodox &
> Catholic Church appear so alike. The 5 solas of the
> reformers make
> Protestants an entirely different breed.
>
> I've just been reading this article on
> western/eastern art and finding
> myself in broad agreement with the author. I
> wouldn't say I necessarily
> agree with the authors description of western art as
> secular - that
> obviously is not true even if you allow that many
> artists painted religious
> works simply because that's where the commission's
> were coming from.
> Nontheless, the issue about transformation seems
> quite accurate. I think as
> a discussion of spiritual art, there are some useful
> points amidst the
> numerous theological pops, although I don't think
> Icons are alone in their
> spiritual display, a lot of celtic art meets the
> same standard and actually
> so too most stained glass work and much sculpture
> and music.
>
> http://www.traditionaliconography.com/webgalleryart.html
>
> Mouravieff's writings come from the Orthodox
> tradition, G had it somewhere
> in his background and if we are to believe it, G
> asked his pupils to go
> search the Orthodox tradition. I've been looking
> over the Praxis website
> again. Outside the Philokalia (which I never read)
> that site is a storehouse
> of Orthodox teachings in english, not that it's all
> free, but it's an access
> point with a 4thWay understanding in the selections.
> There's this freebie (I
> haven't read it yet):
>
> http://www.praxisinstitute.net/Praxis%20Now/Theosis/theosis_contents.htm
>
> Overall though, whilst there are some useful things
> to be found within the
> Orthodox, it really is a variant of the same strain
> as Catholicism.
>
10.04.2007
Bodyguard of angels
With connection to Christ comes having a bodyguard of angels. Being a king attended by angels. And having the ability, the right, to ask for anything from God and getting it. Ask and ye shall receive. Connection to Christ via the Spirit is all. Citizenship in the Kingdom of God.
I wrote it
"The antithesis of vanity is faith. The antithesis of worldly pride is repentance. The antithesis of self-will is descent-of-the-dove God's will."
Warfield wrote it
"Previously, men had looked to the Church for all the trustworthy knowledge of God obtainable, and as well for all the communications of grace accessible. Calvin taught them that neither function has been committed to the Church, but God the Holy Spirit has retained both in His own hands and confers both knowledge of God and communion with God on whom He will."
- B. B. Warfield, John Calvin The Theologian
- B. B. Warfield, John Calvin The Theologian
Hodge wrote it
"What are the conditions of admission into Christ's Kingdom? Simply practical recognition of the authority of the sovereign."
- A. A. Hodge, Outlines of Theology
- A. A. Hodge, Outlines of Theology
I wrote it
"To fear God only and not man
makes you a dangerous figure on the landscape of the world.
Expect war, and fight like a king."
makes you a dangerous figure on the landscape of the world.
Expect war, and fight like a king."
Reality
When you connect with the Work (the Fourth Way) and you do the Work you need the armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-18) for protection. You need the shield of faith (in Jesus Christ) and the Sword of the Spirit (the Word of God inside you). You will provoke the world and the devil (and your own inner elements of false personality, or, the 'Old Man' within you), and being naked and innocent on the battlefield is not how a king takes to the field of battle. A babe in the Work can survive for a season naked and innocent, but as you develop more is required of you. You are recovering the image of God, being a prophet, a priest, and a king.
The Fourth Way
The Fourth Way can't be divorced from Christian faith and the Word of God. It can't be divorced from the reality of the Kingdom of Satan and the Kingdom of God.
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