1.31.2009

Beryl Pogson quote

I don't want to pick on Beryl Pogson, not having read her books to a sufficient degree, but a quote by her is at the front of the Eureka Editions 'Simple Explanation of Work Ideas' by Maurice Nicoll which is very new age (shallow):

"The Teaching is to prepare people for the Aquarian Age where all religions can be united - united by the fundamental truths contained in every religion." - 'More Work Talks 1966' pg. 93, Beryl Pogson


This way of thinking can put other religions at the same level of Christianity when Jesus is merely seen as a teacher or great Master, and not as Saviour and Lord. To see the latter you need to see things like original sin, your situation under the curse of the law, your inability to save yourself, etc... - C.

1.29.2009

An email on Work knowledge and its relation to Work practice

Just to remind you all, I have written some good reminders and insightful things lately. Especially the realization that Work effort without taking in Work knowledge is surprisingly not kosher. I mean, one might think Work practices are universal and can be done by themselves just fine, but you find that they really are married to the Work knowledge in a real structural way that effects development of being itself. This forces one, if one sees this, to value the Work knowledge even higher.

(A note: a practical reason Work knowledge must accompany Work practice is to keep one on the straight and narrow with it.)

I do think though that the Bible can take the place of the Work for knowledge, but considering the Work is a language of the Holy Spirit given on top of the foundation of the Word of God then it is more proper to see Work knowledge itself as needed in the Knowledge + Being = Understanding equation.

On book reading goals

I think what can hamstring book reading goals for a new year is being too limited in how you go about it. For instance, I have a list a seven books I'd like to read complete (complete readings is the subject here, we all read a thousand books a year in other ways, for other purposes than a complete download), but I always tend to put the most important up first, even if I'm not currently moved to read it first.

I think once I have my seven, then I should realize I'll read them all *at some time* during the upcoming year, so just hit the one I'm most eager to hit first and get through it.

Create momentum for them *all*, including the more difficult ones (the ones that require more effort of attention, i.e. they don't draw you as easily, even though you have interest in them).

You do have to finish what you start, though.

1.28.2009

Recurrence insight

Here's an insight regarding Recurrence. When you see it non-linearly (i.e. not as a line, birth to death, or beyond that as a circle) then the interval that is death/birth has to be seen non-linearly as well.

I see that interval as defining the entire breadth of your living time. If you are in Hades in that interval that means you are in Hades in all your living time. In biblical language: dead in sin. In the devil's kingdom.

Yet when you begin to awaken and leave Hades your entire living time is effected. You experience unique friction. The general law - which is the manifestation of the spiritual reality of what is happening in that interval - notices you and works on you. It is a mechanical force, of course, and needed for development (unbeknownst to itself, but the devil is the same, he plays a needed role, unbeknownst to himself -- or maybe he knows, but he can't do anything else, being under the sovereignty of God).

So, Recurrence as 'fulness of time', or, as a sphere in which develops the fulness of time (individuals and history develop 'in the fulness of time'), again, Recurrence as 'fulness of time' is our living time in a sphere, and the inside of that sphere is colored by that interval of death/birth.

Notice also that birth and death are 'shocks' in the process. Mechanical shocks on a larger scale than food intake and air intake. We transcend them with conscious shocks. The two conscious shocks and all they entail regarding awakening and development and connection with what is higher (Jesus, Triune God, conscious influence) effect the two shocks of birth and death and lift us out of Hades and all that follows can be seen in that context.

The others in Hades, mechanical presences, don't like seeing any one else leaving...

When you truly connect with what is higher you of course leave your time and are in the Kingdom of God.

I'm re-learning basic Work teachings

I've said I'm in a major effort for 2009 (started in Dec. '08) regarding self-remembering, non-identifying effort. I've just today realized, or re-remembered, something. My effort has been strangely 'strange' making me think I was maybe in some new state, or new territory, or something. I still may be (I am regarding my limits), but what is strange is I havn't been giving myself the knowledge 'substance' you need when you make such efforts.

Knowledge + Being = Understanding

Being (or effort to awaken) alone is not enough. You need Work knowledge for 'substance' (I call it that intentionally because understanding becomes your higher bodies, and substance is needed for that understanding, and Work language is that substance. It is a lively language, and probably only the Bible could take its place, but I havn't been reading the Bible much either.)

It came to me today when I was pondering Recurrence and came to an insight regarding the interval between death and birth. I might write about that later, but just the fact of pondering the Work reminded me that I was lacking the 'Knowledge' part of the great equation:

Knowledge + Being = Understanding...

1.24.2009

Observe these 7 things when in an active theater

When in an active theater in life (i.e. where you are on the battlefield, in an event, etc.) observe these 7 things:

1. Yourself
2. The person(s), place, thing(s), event your attention is on
3. Place, or surroundings
4. Your aim and conscious role
5. The different points-of-view, intents, self-interests and motivations of others around you
6. The unspoken and spoken communications and the web of relationships between others and with others around you; and forces and laws in effect
7. Active reasoning, conscious labor, and intentional suffering

1.23.2009

Conscious labor, intentional suffering

I heard this guy arguing with his girlfriend over the phone (long-distance relationship of some sort). I wouldn't try to reason with him, but if I did (he's a Christian who goes to a church) I'd say it's silly, isn't it? Give it up. "Give her up?" Why not. At least the fighting and nonsense. (She screws around with him long distance.)

Then he thinks, but if I give it up, what do I have left? What takes its place?

Answer: suffering.

G.'s brilliantly foundational formula (more foundational than self-remembering/non-identifying, though that is the means) is: conscious labor, intentional suffering.

Non-identifying is at its base intentional suffering (easy to forget or not see). To build our spiritual body we have to be awake and to suffer. If we avoid that then we don't value the goal to begin with.

But it's good to know that when you come down to philosophical hard pan intentional suffering is there as an answer.

I'm in the world, not of the world, so what do I do? You intentionally suffer.

Conscious labor, intentional suffering.

1.22.2009

Active reasoning

Look at how this theologian gets at the Work practice of active reasoning:

Have you realized that most of your unhappiness in life is due to the fact that you are listening to yourself instead of talking to yourself? Take those thoughts that come to you the moment you wake up in the morning. You have not originated them, but they start talking to you, they bring back the problems of yesterday, etc.

Somebody is talking. Who is talking? Your self is talking to you. Now this man’s treatment was this; instead of allowing this self to talk to him, he starts talking to himself. "Why art thou cast down, O my soul?" he asks. His soul had been depressing him, crushing him. So he stands up and says: "Self, listen for a moment, I will speak to you . . ."

The main art in the matter of spiritual living is to know how to handle yourself. You have to take yourself in hand, you have to address yourself, preach to yourself, question yourself. You must say to your soul: "Why art thou cast down" -– what business have you to be disquieted?

You must turn on yourself, upbraid yourself, condemn yourself, exhort yourself, and say to yourself: "Hope thou in God" -– instead of muttering in this depressed, unhappy way. And then you must go on to remind yourself of God, Who God is, and what God is and what God has done, and what God has pledged Himself to do.

Then having done that, end on this great note: defy yourself, and defy other people, and defy the devil and the whole world, and say with this man: "I shall yet praise Him for the help of His countenance, who is also the health of my countenance and my God.” - Martin Lloyd Jones, Spiritual Depression

1.17.2009

Apostolic doctrine taken to visionary heights

I've been saying there's no book I can learn from now, but I've just re-noticed the Kline books (God, Heaven and Har Magedon and Kingdom Prologue). If you already understand Federal Theology, these books are 'step beyond' while still being orthodox. They are like #5 Man level in the realm of Reformation era biblical doctrine.

It is revolutionary for instance to realize the presence of heaven all around you, invisible. To get that frame of reference all the time your thoughts, words, and deeds change.

Kline also sparks higher emotional insights and understanding. And it's foundationally biblical.

One is this: his explication of 'pilgrim politics' (a section from his GHHM) makes you see what is going on today in the world. The people of God are called on to exercise pilgrim politics with the people of the devil surrounding us. The devil and the people he influences *know this* hence their rhetoric and demands. If they sense a Bush, for instance, is going over the line, in the context of the 'rules' laid down by God in His plan of redemption, they scream bloody murder and accuse and accuse and stamp their feet. But it's all ridiculous because Bush could incinerate them all if he - we - wanted to. It's all drama. And they lose in the end, but sin is irrational to the core.

So the sign: "Hands off Saddam!!" being carried in a protest in San Francisco is part of this Devil-inspired demand to stay within the rules. "Iraq is the devil's domain!! It's against the rules of the game for you to mess with it!!"

The Israelites were in the same 'pilgrim politics' phase in Canaan. They were called on to deal with the people of darkness surrounding them with diplomacy, etc. This example needs more context (read the book!).

But this is a higher-emotion type thing to 'see.' To be able to see the spiritual reality behind phenomena going on around you. To have the ultimate big context that is the plan of redemption from one pole of eternity to the other is what you get from Kline's book, which is apostolic doctrine taken to visionary heights.

I repeat, though, that the foundation is Classical Covenant - Federal - Theology. The Bible itself.

1.10.2009

A good line on prayer

I like the succinctness of this statement:

>God answers prayers in one of two ways: "Yes," or "I have something better."

Don't know who said it. It was on a person's signature on a forum without a reference to author. It's deeper than it may look at first.

On an atheist forum I gave an example of how a prayer can be answered but in a way a person didn't expect: a woman is treated badly by her husband, she asks in prayer to God for it to be better; so God answers the prayer by opening up the possibility for the woman to move out and away from her abusive husband. Not what the woman expected when she said her prayer.

An atheist responded: "Or the husband beats her to death. This prayer stuff is just way too arbitrary. Good luck with it though." In so many words.

Well, in that case the woman would be getting something arguably better: she would be going to heaven. Not something you ask for (the death part), but a good result nevertheless.

1.06.2009

Status report

I'm in a different stage with higher energy now.

When I started this latest serious round of effort I started it in a new stage of development. It's not at all like the past. I can feel the energy inside me, but I don't lose it. Not even in the less dramatic ways. You know, like laughing at your own thoughts for six hours.

I can also see when I'm walking around in this new environment, more cut loose from a base, that it's a higher environment even though it is experienced as mundane as usual.

There is a group of people around me experiencing God knows what due to it. They havn't turned on me (and I won't even say 'yet' because I'm too good at controlling myself and environment now). If one of them does make a step in that direction I give them zero oxygen for their flickering flame.

I'll have to be led into something, but I also feel I could die too. Like, if there is no more reason to be here. I had a half-sleeping dream where I keeled over and died (went black, though I was conscious of 'going black') then awoke (saying prayers, believe me).

Well, there's always the crown level (Man #7) to reach. My current stage of efforts calls for much more intensive awakeness as I go on.

Could be death in the offing...

1.01.2009

Parzival blog

Some good comments over here.

12.23.2008

On still reading Homer

I'm still reading Homer complete. Though I'm still just in the midst of Book 11 of the Iliad. Still, it is a book that I don't get the feeling I am wasting my time, as in thinking I should be reading something else. The Bible can be a pull no matter what, though, especially when you see a context for it like the Proverbs being knowledge you need for the spiritual journey after death. That sort of makes it of the utmost importance to read NOW. Yet even so Homer still stands up (because it too gives a language for that afterworld journey, as does the Work).

12.15.2008

Proverbs and the quest in the spiritual realms

I was also thinking about xxxx's mentioning of Proverbs. It seems that proverbs as a genre are supposed to be in memory. And of course they are easier to memorize than other types or genres of Scripture. I think - I know - all Scripture can be put into memory my steady reading of it, but Proverbs can be used for that unique attempt to memorize actual verses and being able to repeat them from memory.

I was also thinking about how I see the proverbs themselves. They are basic, primary, simple. That is because when we die and are in essence we need such simple, primary truth as our foundation and as our means to navigate that world.

Like if we are confronted by demons and we think maybe lying and saying we aren't what we are (thinking the demons would be mollified if we did this), but then we remember proverbs about how it is better to tell the truth than to lie, and so we boldly say the truth that we are heirs of the King of all creation, and that act makes the demons give way. Simple things like that.

Of course we're in that spiritual world now too. - C.

ps- I think there is truth in seeing the fantasy type quest as happening when one physically dies and is able to stand and be awake to some degree. You're making your way to the Kingdom of God, and in between there is Satan and his demons (the Prince of the power of the air), and obstacles, and so on. And you draw on your knowledge of the Word of God (your sword), your faith (your shield) and your ability to be awake and to fear only God and to recognize the Way and the destination.

Regarding the feeling we get reading old blog posts

Regarding the feeling we get reading old blog posts. That mixture of feeling of time having gone by perhaps unprofitably, or without as much profit as could have been gained from it; and of thoughts, sometimes deep and foundational thoughts and insights, going by the wayside, not amounting to much in the long run. All that type of feeling. To confront that and do battle with it you just have to set real aims to step into real Work and make real, consistent efforts over time. This regains all that is lost and builds what wasn't yet there.

12.12.2008

Here is a wonderful name for the Old and New Testaments

In the midst of the parable of the sower there is a wonderful name for the Old and New Testaments:

Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.


The Word of the Kingdom

12.07.2008

...

One day we're going to die then ability to be awake in the moment, in difficult situations, developed being will manifest, in a strange wonderland.

11.26.2008

Note on the Calvin posts

I don't know why I wrote two long posts on John Calvin. It's not like I'm a groupie. It's really just because the chain of doctrine that is the armor of God and that changes you internally is 'Federal' theology. It has the individual level and the level that is the great arc and mechanics of the plan of redemption. It's like the 'mechanics of mysticism.' Of course it is the Work in biblical doctrinal language. And Calvin is like the prophet on the mountain elucidating it, or teaching others who presented it...

Logos

Exchanging comments with an atheist I was reminded of this light that exists between us all that enables us to communicate. The irony of the atheist saying what is 'God' and blah, blah, blah. The Bible says Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity, sustains this entire Creation. He is the light, the Logos, that which we recognize the presence of, and come into the presence of, to some degree or another, when we come into an "I am here" presence. When we stop chasing the creation - in identification - and come into presence of Him by whom all things were created and by whom all things consist. That Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit we accumulate and we provoke our limits and grieve that Spirit, and perhaps also extend our limits by degree as well.

11.25.2008

My sense of Calvin

[Response to an email correspondent...]

Here's my sense of Calvin. He was separate pretty much from the revolutionary Christian world going on around him, basically he was content to be a scholar, he was very much into classical literature, his father put him on track to be in the church, then something happened with his father's relationship to the church and he put him on track to be a lawyer, then his father died, so Calvin followed his real interest to be a classical scholar. All during that time Lutheranism was an influence in his university environment. He also lived with a Waldensian, a wealthy merchant who later was burned at the stake. He wrote a book on Seneca. Then something happened. He barely alludes to it, but he was regenerated by the Word and the Spirit, strongly, quietly, then he found that people were coming to him for the 'pure teaching' despite himself. He became known. He had to leave Paris when some religious scandal broke out involving people associated with him. He wanted still to go somewhere and lead the quiet life of a scholar. At some point he wrote the first edition of the Institutes (much smaller than the final edition). It became a bible of the Protestant cause. He became famous, though he was using about six different fake names in his wanderings. Then he was accosted by a firy guy name Farel and told to come to Geneva and be a leader there or experience the wrath of God.

All through it he seemed to be passive. He seemed to be quietly resigned to not have, or own, his own life. But he was quite strange in his ability to learn the Bible and apostolic doctrine and to elucidate it so young. Jacob Arminius (the father of Arminianism, kind of the opposite of Calvinism) had this to say about Calvin:

"I recommend that the Commentaries of Calvin be read…. For I affirm that in the interpretation of the Scriptures Calvin is incomparable, and that his Commentaries are more to be valued than anything that is handed to us in the writings of the Fathers -- so much so that I concede to him a certain spirit of prophecy in which he stands distinguished above others, above most, indeed, above all."

Another thing I discern in Calvin is he intentionally didn't mix the language of the faith with anything else. This is why you don't see him saying anything positive about Homer, et al, other than something like you find in his Institutes in Book 1, chapter 10, paragraph 3. In that passage he subtly separates the Homeric pantheon from the usual false idols that were worshiped. Yet still, condemns the whole lot. Zwingli was more open about his classical learning and valuation for it, but I can tell Calvin is doing the "when I learned the truth I put childish things away" thing. Plus, he carried the gravitas of the Reformation on his shoulders and couldn't be wishy washy to any degree. This includes politically. This is also why he didn't write about himself much at all. It was all seriousness in time of war when everything was at stake, and he was the central figure others looked to for guidance.

You rightly discern in the post-Calvin Reformed theological universe (really once out of the 1500s, except maybe in the Netherlands) a less deep understanding, even though the intellectual level is extremely high. I can still get things from those guys, but we know more and can navigate it all for the wheat and not stumble upon the chaff.

An intense intellectual scholasticism entered the picture, but it happened for a reason. When truth - apostolic truth - is so blatantly brought into the light it gets attacked and attacked and attacked and every kind of attempt from every conceivable angle to defile it is made. Not only from without the camp, but from within the camp as well. So the intense definitions and so forth, and the confessionalism (the composing of so many confessions an catechisms and writing of the systematic theologies, by whatever name or form they took in the early decades and onward) were necessary. Because there really are 'hinges' in doctrine upon which falls to one side or the other internal states, and it is those hinges that get attacked and false teachers try to present them dishonestly and so on and so forth. Hinges such as justification by faith alone. Or sola Scriptura. All of the five solas.

And the practical matter is this: when a person is converting (they've already been quickened by the Word and the Spirit, but now when they are converting) they need to come into contact with clear, on-the-mark doctrinal teaching. So as a practical matter it is effective for the forces of darkness to engage in the endless sophistry and defiling of the truth, as well as the controlling of what is published and taught and so on, because it keeps the truth away from God's elect and it buys them time, which is really the only thing the devil's side has. A continual hold-everything-up strategy. Because they can't win. But they can delay the proceedings. At least it seems that way. But it's a real conflict with real demands and payment and so on.

Gurdjieff was right about Roman Catholicism. You really have to know the history of Christianity at a sophisticated level to see the Reformation and everything else clearly. The Church prior to the Reformation was many things, geography alone dictating alot, distance from Rome dictating alot, it's not monolithic. But the real Beast/anti-Christ stuff began to emerge (and if I knew more I could give an exact date, but) around probably when the Inquisition started to take off. 1100s? I need to read Schaff, but it's 8 volumes. The corruption had really set in by the time Luther hammered the 95 theses on that church door.

One last note: Calvin and Zwingli both were forced to be more conservative publicly and in their main writings because of the Anabaptists to their left. The radicals of the Reformation were as demonic as the Romanist side, in their own way, and as off-the-mark. For instance Zwingli was forced to officially adopt infant baptism - the Romanist practice - after initially being against ritualism and all that because he was in a battle with extremists on his left who threatened everybody because bad doctrine was an invitation for Rome and the secular powers they influenced to attack (ironically, but good doctrine is the armor of God), so the on-the-mark doctrine (which is why Calvin wrote his Institutes, to be a document presenting on-the-mark Protestant doctrine, which is how it was received as well, and was extremely effective as that) was a real weapon in that war. So mostly concessions were made by Zwingli and Calvin in this context in the realm of ecclesiology and sacramentology. The less important, really, areas of doctrine in question; and you really see the schisms and arguing among the post-Calvin Protestants in these two areas too, though that is a simplification. - C.

ps- The Puritans are always 'suspect' by the mainstream Reformed/Calvinists of our day and in the post-Reformation eras generally. It's because the Puritans are seen as 'pietists', which to Puritans just means having and doing the practical level of the faith, and to their critics it means being weird and 'mystical' and so on. Modern day Calvinism is really 'academic theology'. Those types are Man #3 types, but the reformers were Men #4 types.

11.24.2008

Some quick thoughts to a correspondent on John Calvin, Fourth Way, Renaissance, etc.

I may be
> less set in theological
> terms than yourself. I think I'm quietly questioning
> the rationale of post
> reformers - intellectual feasts - because I feel an
> affinity with a more
> medieval mind set where there was a greater unity and less
> schism between
> the Christian and pagan - though I don't feel pagan -
> and that edges me
> perhaps to give greater consideration to both the orthodox
> and catholic than
> I might have previously and obviously I see the work spread
> through it all,
> the pagan too. Anyway, I'll circle round a while yet
> mulling on these
> things. I'm fascinated by the idea Homer and the
> classics had a significant
> influence on Calvin. I never came across it in his
> writings. Homer may be my
> next big read.




[This is long, but I've tried to throw down some distilled things on this subject. It's not just me talking...]

Yes, Calvin is accused by modern day Calvinists of being too medieval himself. Too mystical. Bernard of Clairviox (sp?) is referenced as much as Augustine in his Institutes.

What you see in the post reformers is scholasticism (categorization, ultra-fine definition, etc). It takes over after the organic school emerges. The Medieval time had its scholasticism too. (How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?)

Zwingli and Calvin were the two primary guys (Luther was a force - same age as Zwingli - but a different animal, which is why Lutheranism is what it is, and Calvinism founded empires.)

Calvin wrote a book on Seneca, was a humanist scholar, etc., etc., then experienced regeneration by the Word and Spirit and converted and set foot out of Paris not knowing where he was going. Zwingli died young in battle (Zwingli is associated with reform in Zurich as Calvin is associated with Geneva.)

You have to read all these guys adeptly. They all operated in the midst of a furious and intensely violent war. Calvin was forced to be a political leader including in his writings. For instance, in the Institutes you'll read him giving very Romanist-like eXoteric explanations of the sacrament of baptism. Then in his less public Sermons on Ephesians he - like Zwingli - said baptism is a ritual for stupid people. People who need the visual. Also, when Calvin came into direct contact with a Romanist like Cardinal Sadoleto he sounds like an anabaptist. For example Calvin says to Sadoleto that one doesn't need a church building and physical trappings and all that. That is the true Calvin. But as a political leader and leader in the war of the times he had a responsibility to be more accommodating to the theology of the day because he could get an entire population killed. (This is why Servetus was put to death as well. If Geneva hadn't it would have put the entire city at risk of invasion and death. You have to see everything regarding the Reformation and the reformers in the context of the times.)

But the chain of TULIP is the mystical chain the Bible teaches. When seen and accepted it effects the internal reorientation from being man-centered to being God-centered. It goes against Old Man logic and demands. It is not only new thinking but it is accepting that there is something higher than you. Five solas as well.

You don't have to think in terms of going 'Catholic' or 'Orthodox' just 'apostolic.' The school is there in all those periods of history. The reformers went 'back to the source' as did the Renaissance. What you will see in Orthodox writings that you like you'll find was actually written by a Celtic Christian from the 4th century, for instance. Arminian Baptists accuse Calvin of being Romanist because the true school can be found in medieval sources here and there which Calvin learned from and cites.

The document that is two letters, one by Cardinal Sadoleto and one by John Calvin, is must reading to know Calvin. Calvin had just been kicked out of Geneva by the political leaders and Sadoleto saw an opportunity to turn the populace of Geneva back to Rome, so he wrote a public letter to Geneva. Calvin, in exile, but feeling a responsibility to defend Geneva, wrote a public letter that answered Sadoleto point-by-point, but it is unique in that it is Calvin the warriour going up against anti-Christ. It's published with titles like 'A Reformation Debate, Calvin vs. Sadoleto' and similar titles.

Main thing is find the true school of it all. Calvin has power because he represented the true school in the most foundational and literary and on-the-mark way. (This is why his writings immediately were translated by the dynamic, poetic, action-oriented Elizabethan culture that knew real school.) He brought his Renaissance background to elucidating it. You just have to see where people go off-the-mark and not let that paint everything. It's usually in ecclesiology and sacramentology where humanity gets 'inside' and brings the usual 'group' crap and brings things down to a worldly - and worse - level. But there is a true ecclesiology (cosmos of school, C Influence, teachers, the Word of God) and a true sacramentology (the two conscious shocks, for instance, or prayer and fasting, etc.).

I've said it before but the three main branches of the faith - Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant, correlate to the three basic centers of Man #1,2,3. But it is the intellectual part, the Protestant, that keeps you honest and gives you understanding. The emotional part, the Roman Catholic, is where the devil sets up camp. That is not to say it - the emotional part - is all bad, but just that the devil plants himself 'there' because that is where - intellectual division of the emotional center - magnetic center is developed, i.e. the gateway to real understanding. The Orthodox is best summed up by practice, and the Work is mostly seen in the Orthodox division. But you can't avoid the Protestant - true Protestant - intellectual part. Once you have it you are a different animal.

11.20.2008

Pilgrimage

I sound weird. It's because most of what I discuss I'm now above. But I can't find new territory. It's kind of strange when you are at a place where there are no books to give you anything new.

I say that and I wonder: physics? Higher mathematical languages? Sanskrit? I don't think so.

I've written about it recently. When you have exhausted the realm of B Influence there is only C Influence left. But engaging that requires being in the third state of consciousness, at least. Then after that one wonders what one does.

I'm starting to sense it requires a pilgrimage. Or some kind of moving journey. Maybe that is seeing it too eXoterically. A pilgrimage or journey, yes, but how to effect that. It could be an activity. A subject matter. The arc of mastering something new.

ps- In case I didn't make it clear, the impressions coming from the new subject or activity you are mastering, while in the third state, become the communication from C Influence. Putting it too simply.

11.18.2008

Schedule self-remembering

This is important.

I'm close to seven complete readings of the Word of God.

For the seventh I'm just going to take notes as I go along. Not mechanical, what is necessary at the moment to put things in memory. For such a big influence like the Bible (I mean BIG in terms of pages and words) you have to stay light and lithe with the side projects to help you get it more in memory. - C.

ps- Another important thing I see is schedule self-remembering. I havn't done enough of that, and it develops and cultivates real will in a practical and real way.

pps- There is schedule self-remembering where you use the clock (pick a time to be awake) and then there is the type where you use unpredictable things that you know will happen, like loud noises when out and about, or a police or ambulance or fire truck siren, or somebody calling your name. Many possibilities. Seeing a dog or a squirrel...

ppps- Death tests are in this category too.

11.15.2008

RE: Unique idiot (this email contains a big subject)

> I read the book idiots in Paris.. it was quite interesting
> because it was a combination of the diaries of Elizibeth
> Bennet and John Bennet. John Bennet was kind of like a
> lunatic yogi, who would do things like sit with his arms
> outstretched for 3 hours trying to "break through"
> whilst Elizibeth was a hopeless devotional type who'd
> write things like "today Mr Gurdjieff drank tea!"
> etc etc...
>
> But between the lines you got a decent impression of what
> was going on there.


So notice it didn't occur to him to attempt to be in a real state of self-remembering, non-identification for three full hours? Is this why Ouspensky left Gurdjieff's environment? (Maybe he was doing that and I'm reading too much into it with not enough info.)

It's common to wonder where it leads. Because at first it leads to higher experiencing and higher understanding of things we already know (influences, for instance), but we have to consider that when we exhaust all that and then wonder 'where does it all lead?' that it leads to us being in higher realms, able to be used by God, in battle, for instance, or even just in a garden of the higher Kingdom of God, but it manifests in events down here too.

Like, once I remember going to an apartment complex to pick up my young nephew to take him to a park, and unique events occurred, a family was moving, my nephew had played with their little girl, so I said let them play on the grass awhile and say goodbye, and I sat in my car, then the little girl threw some toys at me, angry, didn't know why, but I waited, then finally my nephew got in the car, then I started to drive away, and just then the toddler - not the little girl but a younger child - of the family bolted in between parked cars and into the path of my car with the mother frantically running after (and the mother was intensely frantic, more than what the event seemed to call for, but in recurrence it may have been the event of the death of bad injury of her child...but I had seen it all as if in slow motion (I was in a higher state), and had already stopped (a common sleeping state would not have seen the event unfolding and just hit the
accelerator and who knows), and I've thought that that is a good example of how you can be used to change things. That child wasn't hit by a car that day because I was able to be used by higher forces, I was delayed (me being strange, not in a hurry, like normal humans) which altered the timing of the events then in the event itself which I was now taking a part in I was awake, and so on.

Remember I've mentioned that I always used my time with my little nephew to practice being in the third state. It was a reason to go to unique places, parks and so on. Pulling him in a wagon around the neighborhood. Things like that.

So that is a big thought: knowing that that effort to be in the third state not only puts you in contact with C Influence, but it makes you available to be used down here in ways you can't predict, and it also gives you things, puts you in environments you can't necessarily see, that effect you. - C.

POSTSCRIPT: This subject is big because it gets at the wall that one hits with this Work. It gets at what is beyond that wall.

It's the same old foundational Work teaching though: make efforts without expectation of results. That is not because it's a 'wrong motivation' to work for results, but it's because you can't discern what the results are except perhaps, and at first, in hind sight.

You throw your hands up, exasperated, "There's nothing to do!" meanwhile things are happening all around you *and through you* that you're not discerning. Things are happening, that is, as long as you *are* making efforts.

You're a soldier on the battlefield in the higher world, active, and then you just stop making efforts and the higher forces say: "Well, we lost that one. Didn't think anything 'was happening.' No, you were just in the midst of battle being a rare soldier for us, usable. And now you've gone away because you think nothing was happening. OK, we'll wait on you. You'll wake up again in time..."

POSTSCRIPT II: Starting to move and act in the higher world consciously. This is the #5 Man stage of Work.

11.10.2008

New word: frame

Look how Thomas Boston uses this word 'frame' in this section of his Human Nature in its Fourfold State:

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The heart, that was made according to God's own heart, is now the reverse of it, a forge of evil imaginations, a sink of inordinate affections, and a storehouse of all impiety, Mark 7:21, 22. Behold the heart of the natural man, as it is opened in our text. The mind is defiled; the thoughts of the heart are evil; the will and affections are defiled—the imagination of the thoughts of the heart, that is, whatever the heart frames within itself by thinking, such as judgment, choice, purposes, devices, desires, every inward motion, or rather the frame of the thoughts of the heart, namely, the frame, make, or mold of these, 1 Chron. 29:18, is evil.

Yes, and every imagination, every frame of his thoughts, is evil. The heart is ever framing something; but never one right thing—the frame of thoughts, in the heart of man, is exceedingly various; yet are they never cast into a right frame.
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It's a useful word as he uses it because it gives understanding, or a 'view' of what the heart is doing which is behind our actions and words and thoughts and deeds and so on. But if the heart frames things differently (which is what the Work gets at with active reasoning and attitudes and thinking from the Work rather than from life and so on) then... It kind of is a word to connect one more with the inner 'reins' of real will.

Boston, in this book, discusses Work ideas in Christian language. Rebellious will, disordered affections, darkened mind, as the result of the fall. You have to read it. Here's an online version.

Might be of interest

I came across this in a volume of writings of Christian mysticism:

The three books attributed to King Solomon - Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon - are written for three progressive degrees of awakening (or, you know). Proverbs = exoteric; Ecclesiastes = mesoteric; Song of Solomon = esoteric.

Ouspensky said the same of the three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), the Gospel of John, and Revelation.

I've finally sorted out my reading

I've finally sorted out my reading. I was looking for something with more power (more higher centers material) than 19th century novels. They can be interesting and fun, but... So I thought epic poems. But that didn't fly. I've read them all. I decided I can't find anything more powerful than the Bible and sound doctrine. So: 1. the Bible (AV1611), 2. Thomas Boston's unique and powerful work Human Nature in its Fourfold State, 3. Pilgrim's Progress, 4. The Fourth Way, and, 5. for now, Don Quixote.

A critic, in passing, mentioned off-hand that Don Quixote had the 'cosmic' in it. It's also one of the seven or so great novels I have listed to read. I read an abridged version many years ago, but don't remember it. I wasn't awake when I read it. Interestingly when I read War and Peace many years ago I was awake, because I remember that work and the reading experience.

The books listed above are in the history, imaginative literature, philosophy, and sacred writings template. The Boston work is history (the ultimate history, the history of redemption). Bunyan is imaginative literature, and the Work fills in for philosophy. The Bible for sacred writings. They all have the advantage of being Christian works, so no mixed language like if I included a pagan work or something.

The Boston and Bunyan books were folk classics in their day.

I've already written all this before, but...

I think a very sound 10 book list of great novels is this:

Don Quixote
Tom Jones*
Moby Dick
War and Peace*
Anna Karenina
Brothers Karamazov
Vanity Fair*
Middlemarch
Ulysses
Magic Mountain

I've only read, complete, three of them!

10.31.2008

100 Novels

Don Quixote
Moby Dick
War and Peace Has Been Read
Anna Karenina
Brothers Karamazov
Vanity Fair Has Been Read
Tom Jones Has Been Read
Crime and Punishment Has Been Read
Ulysses
Magic Mountain

The Idiot
The Possessed
Pride and Prejudice Has Been Read
Emma
Persuasion
Père Goriot
The Woman in White
Trilogy: Molloy, Malone Dies, The Unnamamable
Herzog
Jane Eyre

Wuthering Heights
The Master and the Margarita
The Stranger Has Been Read
Journey to the End of the Night
Nostromo
Deerslayer
The Red Badge of Courage Has Been Read
Robinson Crusoe
Moll Flanders
David Copperfield

Sister Carrie
The Count of Monte Cristo
Middlemarch
Invisible Man
As I Lay Dying Has Been Read
Light in August Has Been Read
The Sound and the Fury
Absalom, Absalom!
The Great Gatsby Has Been Read
Tender is the Night

Madame Bovary Has Been Read
The Recognitions
One Hundred Years of Solitude
Sorrows of Young Werther
Dead Souls
Hunger Has Been Read
U.S.A. Trilogy
The Scarlet Letter Has Been Read
A Farewell to Arms Has Been Read
Steppenwolf

Clarissa
Les Misérables
Brave New World Has Been Read
The Ambassadors
The Castle
The Trial
Kim
A Separate Peace Has Been Read
The Tin Drum
The Leopard

Women in Love
Babbitt
The Call of the Wild Has Been Read
Doctor Faustus
I Promessi Sposi
Of Human Bondage
Tropic of Cancer Has Been Read
The Man Without Qualities
Lolita
At Swim-Two-Birds

Nineteen Eighty-Four Has Been Read
Gravity's Rainbow
All Quiet on the Western Front Has Been Read
The Catcher in the Rye Has Been Read
Juliette Has Been Read
Rob Roy
Frankenstein
And Quiet Flows the Don
Angle of Repose
The Red and the Black Has Been Read

The Charterhouse of Parma
Tristram Shandy
Gulliver's Travels
The Magnificent Ambersons
The Cossacks
Fathers and Sons
Huckleberry Finn Has Been Read
Slaughterhouse-Five Has Been Read
Brideshead Revisited
The Day of the Locust

Tess of the D'Urbervilles
Mrs. Dalloway Has Been Read
Germinal
The Age of Innocence
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Has Been Read
Decline and Fall
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
Resurrection
On the Road
Naked Lunch

prophet, priest, and king

Looking back you can see how the school demands a complete education.

One talks of reading Calvin and biblical doctrine at the highest, most comprehensive level, and the world says: "That is what people who are going into the ministry do!"

One talks of war and law and government and wealth, and the world says: "Pick one!"

One talks of the Work and increasing level of being and engaging the Bible to an absolute degree, and the world says: "Lighten up!"

But what it is is the education of one who is a prophet, priest, and king.

One can get drawn into it without realizing the all-encompassing nature of the program one finds oneself involved in.

10.30.2008

Book 22 of the Odyssey (those 12 women)

Think about this: in Book 22 of the Odyssey, when Odysseus finally slaughters the suiters and clears out his Palace of their presence (they are the Many 'I's) there is the episode at the end of the book where he uses the 12 maids (a specific number) who had been having sex with the suiters and had been generally promiscuous in sporting with them and all that in Odysseus' absence to clean the palace of the dead and the blood, and then he and Telemachus take the 12 maids out and hang them all from the same rope.

It seems so cruel, but it's because they were foundational to the chaos.

There are alot of little details in this episode that will bear pondering on, but the overall meaning within the context of the Work and the Palace being Odysseus' inner being is those 12 sexually 'boundery crossing' or promiscuous maids represent the sex center of the inner being when it is operating where it shouldn't (sexual energy operating in centers where it doesn't belong) and is contributing to the chaos of the lower centers in sleeping man. And there are 12 of them because there are 12 divisions in the four centers: instinctive, moving, emotional, intellectual.

This goes back to my seeing the Work in full in the Odyssey which I wrote about on one of the yahoo forums way back when. This episode just struck me in its meaning though.

10.28.2008

I see unpleasant things in myself

I've been reading some of the comment threads on older posts on my Plain Path Puritan blog (I did get some comments at times), and I'm surprised at how bizarrely knuckleheaded I come across at times. Especially when I couldn't recognize when someone was coming on in a way to intentionally be not hostile like the others and I'd, as if in a daze of 'everybody is the enemy', slam the person. Responding like I was continually under a hail of stones. And I notice that I'd often not answer direct questions which is something I've complained about in others.

Of course I don't know the context now, I mean being called a psycho and a liar 400 times by trolls can make you hyper defensive and hyper aggressive at the same time, but it's really not a 'me' that I like seeing (and I know it IS me).

Writing with understatement and little to no emotional volatility is a mark of a mainstream, or mature, voice. I'm all overstatement and high energy volatility. I can write the other way, but I default to the latter when I don't care and am just being me.

I kind of interact with people as if I'm never going to have to interact with them again. Actually one guy wrote a description of me, and he was just purely going on what he read on PPP (explaining the context would take too much time) and he kind of nailed me. He wrote, about me, on another blog:

"That would be sad indeed if that blog [Plain Path Puritan] was Robert T’s [he meant Robert K's, a name I was using on another blog]. But then again, sometimes the emotionally and psychologically unstable, who find self-justification for their unpleasant personalities by separating from “evil” people and seeing black and white in everything, have been spot on historically in some of their critiques. Anne Hutchinson did rightly discern the legalism in the New England churches, though she was somewhat nutty herself."

This guy proved to have some understanding in other things he wrote on the blog we were both commenting on at the time, before I was banned. When I was banned he announced he would leave too (a comrade!, no, actually I think he just wanted to get back to his daily work). But his words above do describe me: "But then again, sometimes the emotionally and psychologically unstable, who find self-justification for their unpleasant personalities by separating from “evil” people and seeing black and white in everything, have been spot on historically in some of their critiques."

It's hard to gauge just how much you are responsible for having an unpleasant personality and how much of it is a result from conditioning from all the friction that occurs when you are truly developing, not to mention the spiritual warfare crap you receive from the world simply because you have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit (big crime!).

Another difficultly is seeing the 'black and white' thing. Because, when you try to see everything in shades of gray you can lose your discernment of on-the-mark/off-the-mark. Separation becomes mixture becomes 'back in the fun house' and nothing is real or important!

And the two big subjects I've been involved in that has shown up this unpleasant personality in me is the Work, and biblical doctrine. Two subjects where being in the watery middle is the same as being in dead sleep and the devil's camp.

Switching to real life, I HAVE been conditioned to hate people though. I mean, I just *may* be a hater. You should hear me in traffic. Everybody's an annoying moron. I guess I'm doing that 'making requirements' thing, which I added to my list of features of false personality only after Simon brought it to my attention. I didn't see it because that's what I do. MY CHIEF FEATURE! FINALLY FOUND!

I should just tone it down.

10.24.2008

The Bible and classical music

How many times I've read a book of the Bible, set it down, and then let it disappear out of mind as I plaster my attention on the everyday world around me.

When you don't ponder what you've read it disappears. There is, of course, the initial impact of reading the Bible for the first and second and third time. The big fact of it gets into you.

But to get it in memory like a symphony requires pondering it after you set it down.

That is a good analogy. When you *know* a work of classical music you can draw it's movements and musical themes up into memory. You can see and hear its whole.

To get this with Bible books requires a more diverse approach (since each book contains different kinds of material).

I recently read Philippians. After setting it down I pondered what I'd just read and what came to mind was the statement Paul makes that whatever you need ask God for it; and to be equally content whether you are in a good situation or in a bad. In so many words (the words in the AV are much better, but I didn't just look up the passage, yet it's there for the finding).

So that is something I have in memory for Philippians. It's a start for that book (that work of music).

My goal is to know each book as I currently know Beethoven's 3rd or 7th Symphony...

10.10.2008

Hammering the Bible into essence

Hammering the Bible into essence.

Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?


A practical thing to do is to hammer the Bible into essence. Get it past the shell of personality and directly into essence.

I've had experience with this with psalms which I meditated on while walking and self-remembering. These are moments that I can remember to this day. I would often visualize images to accompany the verses, but just having higher energy and devoting real meditation on the Word at hand does it.

Imagine having that fire from higher energy and hammering the entire Word of God into essence and having it in essence pure and whole and complete.

10.04.2008

From B to C Influence

Once you have chased B Influences to their summit (and you have exhausted A Influences or seen their limits and all that), then you have C Influence left. And to be in contact with C Influence you simply have to be in the third state of consciousness (self-remembering, non-identifying).

So B Influence is exhausted? Good! A rare accomplishment. Now you only have C Influence to chase and work with.

But you don't know what that means *concretely*? Just a little bit, but not much? So, that just means you are a beginner in it. What is analogous to engaging B Influences regarding the realm of C Influence? Reading books and building understanding is to C Influence how? Building one's inner bodies?

The influence of C Influence is Providence? That is a non-concrete statement, but yet that doesn't means there is no truth in it. The moving world of things and events? Does it include general revelation? Probably it's more in the realm of special revelation since C Influence involves actual contact with the source.

But when you are in actual contact with the source it requires a level of circumspection and responsibility and seriousness that can be taxing, no? Yes! One reason why we avoid this *contact with C Influence*? One reason. Maybe a bigger reason than we think.

Especially when you're no longer in the innocent stage. In the more advanced stage where you *know* what is happening and what you are getting in to more is required of you. "Wait a minute, I can get myself killed here! I've gotta be awake...!"

I'm on a battlefield...

Building being...

In actual contact with C Influence...which is not necessarily pleasant as we can see in the Homeric epics. Athena helped Odysseus, and she also smashed his ships... All for a purpose that was going in the same direction...

From an intro to the Brothers Karamazov

I won't type it out because it's too long, but the intro to the Bantam paperback edition (Andrew R. MacAndrew trans.) of the Brothers Karamazov is interesting. The writer shows how BK sums up all of Dostoevsky's previous works. In the great novels that came before each had a single protagonist at its center where Dostoevsky presented a part of personality (he even shows how D. has a theory of personality and essence though he saw it as the shell of personality and the inner part where the spirit resides). Then in BK he created three brothers who each represent together the total personality (Ivan = intellectual, Dimitri = emotional, Alyosha = will).

Basically, without knowing it, this intro writer, very knowledgeable of Dostoevsky and his works, was describing Work knowledge regarding centers and personality and essence and so on.

Yes, I'm embarking on a thousand page novel: the Brothers Karamazov. A very handsome paperback edition, by the way. Nice cover.

I may regret it (or decide it is not what I want to do after reading 30 pages or so), but it IS one of the ten great, iconic, canonic novels I have identified.

An aside: it's interesting how critics mock or deride Dostoevsky's Christianity. They want to claim his works as part of their intellectual world, but they don't want the Christianity. Harold Bloom mocks the Epilogue to Crime and Punishment where Raskolnikov (oh, I won't say, in case anyone hasn't read it and wants to). This writer I am referring to now doesn't mock the Christianity in this intro, but I've seen it elsewhere. Like I noted with CandP: liberals of the 20th century couldn't have really read Dostoevsky since D. saw directly through them and made such fun of them in his novels...

9.28.2008

Some thoughts on books...

I just got some perspective on what I'm reading just now.

When I finished Crime and Punishment I launched into John Owen's Biblical Theology. About 220 pages in I began starting other books. The usual mode. I started Anna Karenina, Moby Dick, Chapman's Homer, The Fourth Way, my continued sixth complete reading of the Bible. I set a record for starting and stopping different books.

I've been in bookstores indulging my current state of being in-between books, so I can look at them all and decide on a new one.

Unfortunately for me I really am beyond all the usual, common level of influences. I mean, it's old ground for me. (I did order the Bantam Classic edition of Brothers Karamazov which I might actually read sometime in my project to read the ten great iconic, canonic novels.)

So I returned to the book I was actually a couple of hundred pages into already, the Owen book. I notice I really only have 470 pages to go with it (it's appendix includes a whole different book I don't have to read).

And each of the remaining four section are only in the 115 page realm. Very doable when seen like that (and I need to see it like that because it can be real hard plowing type reading in places).

I don't want to die with alot of 'data' shallowly implanted on my short-term memory. That is what I think about when I think about reading a book. So I want to read books that have deep language that helps or enables or adds to ability to conduct spiritual warfare and increase of being. Plus, the ultimate book, the Word of God, requires new capacity for understanding to get more from it. I.e. Work effort. So Work effort is the effort I need to do.

But we do also have to refresh our memory with high influences. Get above ourselves.

8.30.2008

Service, or third force motivation


I found the text at this link interesting. Of particluar interest is
the emphasis Gurdjieff places on doing the exercises solely as a
service. Like you would clean your teeth before bed or clean your
home, but these exercises are to be made internal for oneself.


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The Work is Service. It's the only way to consider it. I think also that there is a lot in that approach. There is a lot that is revealed through Service. I'm speculating but my sense is that these people that find themselves chewed up/spat out in cults never had that perspective. I wouldn't like to say they are motivated purely by vanity or self-will, but I do sense this lack of Service is at the root of their ailing and a possible cause for them being attracted to a cult circuit in the first place. Although, one has to reserve caveats for the exceptions. I suppose the cult experience is one way in which individuals are broken down and prepared for the real Work, but again how many of those types are fit for the Work I don't know.


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ME (ct):

An example of the service approach (and keep in mind I'm intentionally using Work language, because this subject could easily be dealt with solely by going into the Christian sphere) is to use the third force (motivation) of realizing that the more you awaken, the more you develop *real* consciousness, and understanding, and increased level of being, the more you help everybody who is connected with you at any point, to any degree, in your circle of time. Even people who are no longer alive currently, but who you have a connection with, ancestor, family or friend or acquaintance or whatever relation. In this sense consciousness, real consciousness, is C Influence an is like an electrical current, or heat, that travels all through the connections of the fullness of time that is your life in recurrence and even above recurrence eventually.

(After I wrote the above I realized that we need to define 'service' as G. seemed to be using it. I'm not sure it's clear in the context itself, but for the record by service I adopted the meaning of like 'doing something as if it is being done, even if partly, for others.' Kind of like evangelizing, or any third line effort.

There's a big subject in there though. A big orientation that can be missed. Without getting into moralizing though, which is where fallen man will always take such a thing. There is self-interest even in evangelizing the faith. The Bible says so... Some are like stars who bring many to the faith...something along those lines...)

8.26.2008

Warriours are needed

I was recently involved in seeing a 'gamer' (I guess that is what they are called) doing his thing online. He was involved in a World War II game where he was able to be a fighter plane and fly around and get in dog fights with other fighter planes, in the higher cyber realm, each one flown by somebody from anywhere in the world. The whole time I was thinking how childish it is. A mere game. I may have given that away too with some language I used which upset him. Couldn't help it. Later, though, it occurred to me that online games like that where a person is going up against other real people from anywhere in the world is a real analogy for what occurs when you get into higher states and engage in spiritual warfare in the higher realms.

The gamers are chasing something at the very eXoteric level, yet there is meaning there at the eSoteric level.

This occurred to me days afterwards when I was in a gas station paying for gas, and I was silently looking at the cashier and thinking that anybody, any being, any level of being, could be working such a menial job, an Achilles, an Odysseus, yet at the same time that beeing can be fighting in the Great War in the higher realms.

Warriors are needed. To discern the battle, the lines, the forces, the goals, is all higher centers work and understanding. To get there and be in the battle, an effective warriour, is conscious shock work. The analogy appears in the physical life as it happens. Everything then takes on meaning. And events occur that wouldn't normally occur.

To chase this - the eSoteric level of the battle - with the same enthusiasm and attention of an online gamer (a directed attention in this case rather than an attracted one) would be what is needed.

What did I keep saying? "Get on the battlefield!" - C.

8.13.2008

A striking Gurdjieff observation on basic human nature

[Updated below]

I can't get out of my mind Gurdjieff's striking (though obvious though no less striking for being obvious) statement that humans just want to *astonish* other humans.

"I've astonished you with my entrance into this room."

"My story I am telling is astonishing you."

"I've broken this record and now you are astonished at my accomplishment."

"Though I'm a nobody with no worldly attainments I still astonish you with my aura which angers you."

What happens when you lose the motivation to astonish your fellow human beings? You become anathema. You become an astonishing buzz kill in all environments. You don't want to astonish anybody, and hence the illusion and vanity of it is seen through and the game is over. You buzz kill. You must leave!

And notice that even if you have done something truly astonishing your fellow human beings will react as if you havn't done anything afterall. Only the really innocent ones will be impressed. Otherwise they think: "So you are standing at that podium with all those microphones speaking to the world of your discovery of intrinsic qualities of sunlight enabling man to draw infinite energy from the sun...wow. Somebody was going to discover that. So you are a geek that wasted your life thinking about such things. Allow me to astonish you with the fact that I've just returned from a journey to an ancient forest with a beautiful woman where we discovered a stone chapel where a wise man told us secrets you will never know. I've astonished you."

Update: the Word of God teaches contentment as an answer to the above. When you are content you don't feel a need to impress. Of course the world gets angry when they see contentment and considers the content person to be mentally deficient...

8.09.2008

This is amusing

Here's something on a different subject. This is not just a person who doesn't know what he is talking about, but he is so ignorant of the subject it is actually very funny. This is from a cult awareness type website talking about Gurdjieff and his system:

"All joking aside, Ouspensky reported in his book In Search of the Miraculous that he had practiced 'self-remembering' according to Gurdjieff's instructions. Ouspensky had been a seeker long before meeting Gurdjieff and had tried meditation and even hashish and nitrous oxide, seaching for consciousness expanding methods.

One day while practicing self remembering, Ouspensky set out to do some tasks. That afternoon, he 'came to'. To his amazement, discovered he had spent half the day, going around town and had done his errands.

In other words, practicing G's method, and being instructed in this by G himself had sent Ouspensky into several hours of what a modern clinicial would call a dissociative fugue/amnesia state.

Ouspensky thought this was some special attainment. He did not understand that his field of attention had fractured,and that this was potentially harmful and not helpful.

It was also fortunate that Ouspensky had spent the day on foot or using a horse drawn taxicab. For had he gone through this fugue/dissociation while driving an automobile, the consequences could have been dire."

From here:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,54613,60090#msg-60090

- C.

ps- I know you all know this, but he is referring to Ouspensky's discovery of the 'waking sleep' state, and the attainment in question was simply being able to see it. He tried to be in a state of self-remembering as an aim, fell asleep, then came to later. Remembering his aim enabled him to see what waking sleep was.

Now it is high time to awake out of sleep. -Rom. 13:11